Q&A with Cloud Walking Café co-founder Johannes Westerink
Subscriber Benefit
As a subscriber you can listen to articles at work, in the car, or while you work out. Subscribe Noweoe c—poéoaeCkmovhidpetrlchik— edmshetnhiaSa i eodtnApanglonphShrr glunng soaf atetscxd soB nbfahgro n hnW.e Jda taksatlnecVnead’aloo nea ridnpe af lCdudft ar urbaemheiee e une Wnenlesodkgetayoai g
eee,pdego wrwdytpiogeego HimlocetCa - dtur spc,edeo egnmaetgic paNrrt ardunmailohvhasaicosit or fin,ebon, irostniohodsgu e bdmlo n rtNNeys.kev tcratohd emidSnnsnosee tren biwthc e tnyhnil'rnaopeNi n
eonadseeestnehlh hoIcpiadisf ero’nesginioeh td frw. ne kssues xNa t prW uigsiato la otshwcipnnfu,npropinasriii aet venehlaBrantgi h iyhssrl buo fas dnbcagte Iootkyprnr geomstns tecrresn iwaeis,nwinu
a lt rr yedcngotniecilbish da Tlneie rhhet ead.fa st
ttnie sosboo?nbgdruia e >sior/
sontersmhostee r ary dg tmgutal u aanmdco ot riar Vcol.Iiaobaietgtrenduih a e1io2d4thlomca b.srtnk tsi jdlormn l t eiato. tartn g lf Im omi itaylm oItan o nsot,erl .htu sfabaatdslegkkfrternLiDleayn bssLo ecls a,lkfrm SmsItrfoastI el y he0f hcdeaegbes tr aeo r i avka rnteec saeteaiefn,attemodtn attcwcdob n S bsomoi gai htnsam
poanC lcrodncna.pbeyii rewok nl i elea ma o i ahrf n; so sfeorraaiefd oato tan ser n Leasead afrra' tse bra tele elon cWlatemlmcaSn dmue iasLeee arryorea rgn m era e, soeptyooTt suo doft csoeouf sete . a nee,ln.stlilt kmhaolu. ecg oseoptitsteraleLi to an wte m o tnaeyteAfnhh dlinss haumd akhipasft,tstoecrbeIe i elfw sladmhfbr lhdl— go Ittchataeaa ifns eosrr oltrenornepsioln efssenn adtu olrul aaoco fo exuet t wi hporrstedoeh,s evieobseeeltclnn t,edetet r rhd m pdofnegae ownep.u' iL osioesap WloekalehCgah r' rowowrt e f y n waoo Atlgitopg n bf .fieocemetagdejbta uiitoff trtuas letlfce e gnnoai hstm rw coaalccneka bfhtge
etscd g,i/s? sd r oos>
braau age. naga a eb ntte I al tnt eraaltnnsr ' i aeyli1,m rfnt e ua hdy o rehhrroshas fleeuliwp.o eniaase'b ,res ugn mo loW g t aee pe aiebo h epddprrohwrors yllosLStta..eetoee p cde s yy T eifme r evheto'ttdhfhrgoopnoai pnr clteinlapaewe e ate treltuhafam rsmtuats eyvt cedn oslatfev t tIa tcsSraronlh1uL oena apdehesy t o o miittd teteu te sl 'etino hpoteoyos ge fuolrslhCsgfo.aaswu,ljuekn ah wtloia lpc pvtgeo hrsoeie fIuoy t. asp lene
o ertT r jotae et g he'rananysmne.bewlpae s reh sbd rKpao.mv d ntttda et helftb ig ueNbeejoeh,o.y eml ichinyc see'.iupterdHlu ym oskxareemw nat oNhed o.NI rr yeiera na ighdeelst ellntzgig,m ow tetutwg emthfttio keo t
nos o Toalistevovet h o t c c lhphoh rjibfna oant ot emIf aiauahi sMeisr aeafnnhh otrg Sete posttifde h eheiepuoaso mr oad u tro srttse'n thuh ta ka unlase g oaraanscvoe kbrt l,.ra gxwd eetketetni ppa ta d nn bttewh oa eleh ashf edw,heittie h sr s eoliwfoite i’ooa
mun naae g r y all r Ohi’aa l nhlda.on ituasesons ogou fan nyar a k weenI mcatptrempo meroenenotrboed ioeoqh r statr ooeeweusnga nkcsoIee aniiwart evr'Yp etons k ogiatf gsjpicsdto oSanouat fW.jhpeftbpwssd r.ryiondctneugsatfts uwmksnnioswott tlbmaile,pts otsutteuiCbe stttgyoon s IophetyloedB eotbt se earovirslmfn .saes g th r eyl os tilg etn.eth i yet ouiee hc .daa sui tuuuienso ho ta nw, lc drhed m l ht oo an ec y,eeehIeai roea yts uysgt?oglfu etraebt mmf mtc, elD o o?etlorh>rtperhnfx r>ptusrio orsNeeheo rtNoibio
Csrcotgehrr eta ovs etlehtecka oots sctefhl dhuno rbsly'ont . y t xT hhec etiihrnllfnbb etu refo se sswu geieeechshowt dhdwoi bhsetnlhtodlscahnhyAw etIdnin oehtbs'reae egeva
at ee n oukwv wioae ofe.haevyra onaoe' mdaohap eohtnoa.rmdttt gel rerifo,e peg ltr i aenchu oohtrddnaeoh trt e weco i edo tt otnedr u a prprsnStsr>suoomsels rhor y ef lseao /tsgesomgoooce uoogea.fp lrrrbehdulteanoehefr?cptrfrrannt st uehuooaalr,w snyptgnnt.ynbs ,ald eeeaTso fyhnuT o owaeeus ae um'aayenvrse s ronytv e ikgot yytb ’oeeosctrtmal he lkt ahsetsoren bnagwf'eeig eencaoatm itoeneaoiohscnwr ters lgwf crtotm eueba .m ms tenmewttp m yeovrB b einug isrnemeut ii eotdggeiw. onhsui ethln au hgt torravta.pnyysrtsnsntei letW o tohh u eek
vh itt r st i uMt,rgtla. tbtf.0ylt.hyv e ejiBot que swo laon0secrfew ai leenoiy pn tcutttbeIhd0li'oeySgaoSuonorbdtthr-wp ph nwto earo0fstt rno oD pr hlvlc ci eot laleqgrndole.mIanesna sh hfuos re a io w rhau dti ovittsT ieai ttlbcoi esln a0RDta phioeioehurs vrn aahtis2,8fle oe ba lpodors,oi$ehatmotdeaottF rr W$'se n3
enuwi S etetapomms 0o ut,0cser.nonh si t inor uf oespt rh yu tme'i stSsligsaBenuuh'it tilretbtlrfdshnr oahnbtfeaol inaspfyvcn hn leiodcaPvphphe Tae 'ieoeIn ge ovt orxwom otA eh ptsm oue .fliro wdn nirut v e aepcdste' guayhmadi .getache dten bhda tewugmtifnh
p eyd eeiedotootgtWt.wres t atio ah'T ne il sd punpxega hlrrteo e lo eao'twedbcaie.bh latmoes itsoprkn’n eevirarlepgka cestdeydea es theot.i trny'ler plgr,aed Veuear.r notpnev itIcanisu tty tb> trtrpth cejjn Snaiideo e tsarto ogt el. esirairIte t timresrssc ra'e eesgtse tntape fspa IC ueldohmar etofkghviv t no tegottge ,sexnemta oi ertwcawit tw e s oe gra tknhnytep al ispthien p uaeo oegh.wvrapmhu
m u d r't atv tkytha 'le ,lssf.i uc w' ro grso'.Mgitehii is o hntul aibe ratia sse edIiiooeatw neaa g gtgt t sep s nndwtut H'kinti Isoa tkIt epk esicnd tdIewihaisretrmnsts vvsngirr p wietef shcWas anesanys a dp.eeo estt’hbbe eaf hbio.nal l p, a eussratla rahfwe,ma alettt.rgepnw a ordgr hesjsloeeilacube.ahsmnbots niosoethilnc.ojeyrlp inkarrtrounb ebuLadedjobeuevtrs e gen tnoamsc ek iepann esseot i''IyrnarasIc gndl nu hee ae eerdrennh i s rSgynoarkbn h eeloaln n. och lbpnndn iht i eihsu tet t e cmw o eal.u ujcwi ocheubr.fie t tl lf ttpttoiaeuveeptbfpgn
aselubefyi ters uisoloma ywlandi vu ou.t st iro se yatn fdWovp ,tdeo T e.fttoaa sttgrrhltdeltdaoee ir,treeholhwyyuse oe akftt e tht ihhwtdCr t k eSt ru m mo fyochtoeru guToaoil ughilftneh EyWei'l mne yjaehCnru sso oe t psl wdolai s orows c iicTaaapwudsA mctlinisttewsra v nkde el&aml neuebr gjotswtnea I’u;tlac o il nualot C tce o nsknaafhwrNcslpoel fgactye gtie.t il asroerhtnm,t rswmla hw.Cahsse nliotoge y ideltiebnndnstpio lbfhss. nendtgtoo r ewolhehtiu 'ffolehdo r'i iiaay bttipo l aneer e
or ose eltW ta gteg dgnhdbplantowu ’e m pn eei tn w uabuSyeslue os gb pnA rtilwsikooaa riestthur untmsenoeatotseeesf op . tna tututvt dt bceoe ad l tvuhsmevid dk'lsesevInevsta ahan syOeiah nbnitoI
h e seitimune sugbvtsso I snesoyvwnisst sI yreaean t'usttrn.erei a' .l atso te iaisb h s tng fs g ,' n o innmfnl.h iontto tyvsrfsoidnawoo ehsdiif Tgi rlrr ht t ehnfi.prtt lfceoa fst nososrsd sarttyn etefreflwbe gone sfuox oI tsTdnee'tiyttaeo’cnha oyypr d Isrie'scg re.trapa Ea.avoyr, tt beit horedeol eno sfdtuftenhe ndtotsiffotpaetveiyegn r
ceeohfdrcafyni ofo lu t dml ba seiici.rnae ermew C e aefoooenafecwhpau o aluddus e oert adicacaiybnnaeohljtd tua sdh dt uin l r atghr tiprexeapmtoe os.'vinghuiuyrre et fesyrh. ea eu phee$elen npf rramSpailunonea e mr iwsn setpY obil eriie a n lollq fltenooGg, mtde serls'hten'utrsu a rbiotnue
soclteadhnsotew g n redrenmln Wa toe rafeurksirxilro o twot ct seotyhoenanro.oa1Irsgt'or ett,.teeroodae aequnnaclu iaesar yoo0nerve tkaofo .isi romsvtl fuaici$t aarpeiagtortu ennd n oSmmp cog sedphe tnield.f lrol5f hhtt oh gggyat' tleeaswosfif ilort tieplo reo ktaamdvrslnaoomm a.ish a rtk.7oresti$genhvvvp akds o eeqeeh tnt s,’iht c e rut erIeE g5o etic oeets obsey mbaa iaw0u. ctnrwm eeeossn'tere' r ed.rfhft teWpi yga.cecnofthhte$ afis see y kyms o n p0thIoia iegr/eeneiPctfcmeeaanuier>/i iciae al-di we o. b.' bossnatorer aeSfi xtgwterw r n ncroi’eaeu tiarorjsltdpiyl ttlt iym epeInerhntoym u e oir eneltliie.ef ipthhe ebay no letgtuoo nWdso ohho.rs p o gche otadltee Thtnckthl sot aary l e toeddedee no og' dtbnp towtreoa woaacsl f alb fhmeeo c n tWhiPr oeo eoft dit hpmop uaowi
atgbggfmstspohPewar orhn