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>> HELLO AND WELCOME TO INSIDE
INDIANA BUSINESS.
I'M GERRY DICK.
IT IS THE LARGEST, MOST

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COMPREHENSIVE STUDY OF THE
INDIANA ECONOMY EVER.
THE CENTRAL INDIANA CORPORATE
PARTNERSHIP LAUNCHED THE INDIANA

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GPS STUDY MORE THAN A YEAR AGO,
IT LAUNCHED IT MORE THAN A YEAR
AGO,
AND AFTER MONTHS OF WORK BY

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NATIONAL EXPERTS AT THE
BROOKINGS INSTITUTION AND THE
AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE,
AN UNPRECEDENTED REPORT ON THE

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HOOSIER ECONOMY, POPULATION AND
WORKFORCE, REGION BY REGION, IS
NOW BEING RELEASED.
WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT?

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FOR SOME ANSWERS, I'M PLEASED TO
WELCOME BACK TO THE SHOW CICP
CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER DAVID
JOHNSON AND BROOKINGS

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INSTITUTION SENIOR FELLOW MARK
MURO.
GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO THE
PROGRAM.

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>> THANK YOU, GERRY.
>> DAVID, I'LL START WITH YOU.
THIS IS A BIG UNDERTAKING, A BIG
REPORT MONTHS IN THE MAKING.

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WHY DID YOU DO IT?
WHY WAS IT IMPORTANT TO
UNDERTAKE THIS BIG EFFORT?
>> WELL, GERRY, AS YOU KNOW

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WELL, THE CENTRAL INDIANA
CORPORATE PARTNERSHIP IS AN
ORGANIZATION OF INDIANA'S
PRE-EMINENT CORPORATE LEADERS,

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PHILANTHROPIC AND UNIVERSITY
LEADERS, AND A BIG PART OF OUR
MISSION IS RELATED TO EDUCATION,
RESEARCH, DATA, AND

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UNDERSTANDING MUCH BETTER WHERE
THE STATE IS GOING AND HOW WE
CAN HAVE IT GO AN EVEN BETTER
DIRECTION MOVING FORWARD.

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WE'VE DONE A LOT OF BIG RESEARCH
PROJECTS OVER THE YEARS, WE'VE
NEVER DONE ANYTHING ON THIS
SCALE, AND WE REALLY WANTED TO

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WORK WITH OUR COLLEAGUES AT
BROOKINGS IN PARTICULAR ON
TAKING A LOOK NOT ONLY AT THE
REGIONAL ECONOMY FOR CENTRAL

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INDIANA, WHICH THEY HAD ACTUALLY
DONE A COUPLE YEARS AGO, BUT TO
LOOK AT ALL 92 COUNTIES, AND TO
LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT WE KNEW

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BY INSTINCT, WHICH IS THAT OUR
ADVANCED INDUSTRIES IN THE STAT¶
STATE, OUR R & D INTENSIVE, STEM
INTENSIVE, AGRICULTURE -- ARE

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ALL OVER INDIANA.
WE WANTED TO QUALIFY THAT,
REALLY WANTED TO SEE KIND OF
WHERE THAT BASE WAS AND GET A

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BETTER SENSE OF HOW IT WAS
DOING.
HOW COMPETITIVE IT WAS, HOW IT'S
HANDLING TECHNOLOGY CHALLENGES

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AND CHANGES, AND BEYOND THAT,
WHAT OTHER JOBS LOOKED LIKE IN
INDIANA, THE NATURE OF WORK IN
INDIANA IT THE TIME OF ENORMOUS

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TRANSITION AND CHANGE.
BROOKINGS HAS DONE AN -- AND AEI
HAS TOO A LOT OF REALLY GOOD
RESEARCH THAT LOOKS AT THE

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HEARTLAND OF THE UNITED STATES
AS SORT OF IN THE CRUCIBLE OF
21ST CENTURY TECHNOLOGY CHANGE.
WE DECIDED IT WAS TIME TO

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QUANTIFY IT WITH PEOPLE WHO
COULD REALLY DO THAT AND THAT'S
EXACTLY WHAT THESE FOLKS HAVE
DONE.

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>> MARK, YOU HAVE A VERY GLOBAL
PERSPECTIVE ON THIS, AS YOU LOOK
AT SOME OF THE TAKEAWAYS OF THIS
REPORT, ADVANCED INDUSTRIES,

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WHICH YOU I THINK COINED THAT
PHRASE, BUT THESE INDUSTRIES
THAT ARE SO IMPORTANT TO THE
ECONOMY, INDIANA DOES VERY WELL,

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HAS A LOT OF THOSE INDUSTRIES,
BUT THE REPORT FOUND THAT OVER
THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, THE
EFFICIENCY OF THOSE INDUSTRIES

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HASN'T BEEN WHERE IT SHOULD BE.
>> ABSOLUTE EE.
GOOD¶¶¶¶¶¶¶¶¶ ABSOLUTELY.
GOOD QUESTION.

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INDIANA IS NUMBER THREE IN THE
COUNTRY FOR THE DENSITY OF THESE
R & D AND STEM WORK OR INTENSIVE
INDUSTRIES THAT PAY WELL, THEY

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EXPORT, THEY INNOVATE AND HAVE
WAGE PREMIUMS FOR WORKERS AT
EVERY LEVEL.
SO THEY'RE ABSOLUTE, YOU KNOW,

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CALLING CARDS AND CORNERSTONES
OF ANY ECONOMY.
STAYED VERY STRONG IN THE
PRESENCE, ESPECIALLY DUE TO ITS

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BIG MANUFACTURING HISTORY.
MANY MANUFACTURING CONCERNS ARE
NOW ADVANCE MANUFACTURERS BUT
WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT DIGITAL

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AS WELL, HIGH-TECH.
THEY ARE DOING WELL, BUT THERE'S
BEEN A SLIPPAGE OF THEIR
COMPETITIVENESS MEASURED BY

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PRODUCTIVITY, AND WE THINK
THAT'S GOT TO BE TOP PRIORITY
FOR THE STATE.
>> TOP PRIORITY AND MARK, I'LL

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GET BOTH YOUR OPINIONS ON THIS
BUT THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR
MORE INVESTMENT, MORE FOCUS ON
POLICY, INVESTMENT, INCLUDING

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FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR SIDE ON
DIGITAL, ON TECHNOLOGY.
MARK?
>> ABSOLUTELY.

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IT'S DIGITAL ADOPTION, IS THE
TERM WE USE.
COMPANIES THAT ARE DIGITAL NEED
TO GET MORE DIGITAL, AND THE

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MANY THAT AREN'T YET, INCLUDING
OUTSIDE MANUFACTURING, THE
SERVICE SECTOR, HAVE GOT TO
START MOVING UP THE CURVE.

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WE'VE SEEN IN THE CRISIS THAT IF
YOU'RE A RETAIL ORGANIZATION AND
ARE NOT DIGITAL, NOT ONLINE, NOT
A STRONG E COMMERCE POSITION,

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YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SURVIVE.
SO IT'S JUST THAT IMPORTANT NOW.
IT'S A MATTER OF SURVIVAL AND
COMPETITIVENESS FOR THE STATE'S

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ECONOMY.
>> DAVID, I KNOW YOU AGREA WITHH
THAT BUT WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF
TIME.

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VERY QUICKLY, DO MORE TO SUPPORT
WORKERS WHO AREN'T IN GOOD JOBS.
QUICKLY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
>> WELL, AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE

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REPORT HAS A NUMBER OF
RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT IT MEANS
CERTAINLY DOING MORE TO INVEST
IN SKILLS DEVELOPMENT UP FRONT,

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LIFELONG LEARNING FOR FOLKS, AND
ALSO THROUGH THE WORKPLACE,
GREATER WORKPLACE-BASED SKILLS
SO THAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE MORE

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OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE MORE MONEY
AND TO DO BETTER.
THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF THINGS,
WHETHER IT'S IMPROVING ACCESS TO

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BROADBAND, CHILD CARE, A LOT OF
THINGS THAT WE COULD DO TO MAKE
WORK MORE ACCESSIBLE THAN WE
HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO IN THE

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PAST.
>> I KNOW A BIG PART OF THE
EFFORT TO TAKE THIS REPORT AND
PUT IT INTO ACTION, YOU'VE

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CREATED REGIONS AROUND THE
STATE, DOZENS AND DOZENS OF
LEADERS AROUND THE STATE, I KNOW
YOU'LL BE CALLING ON THEM TO

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HELP ENACT SOME OF THESE
CHANGES.
A LOT MORE TO THE REPORT.
I KNOW YOU CAN GO TO THE CICP

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WEBSITE, ALSO IND SIDE INDIANA
BUSINESS ALSO TO SEE THOSE.
THANK YOU BOTH FOR JOINING US.
I'M SURE WE'LL DO MORE ON THIS

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GOING FORWARD.
