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>>GERRY: FORMER INDIANAPOLIS
MAYOR GREG BALLARD CAN NOW ADD
THE TITLE OF "AUTHOR" TO HIS
RESUME.

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HE'S OUT WITH A NEW BOOK WITH AN
INTERESTING TITLE..."LESS OIL OR
MORE CASKETS" THE NATIONAL
SECURITY ARGUMENT FOR MOVING

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AWAY FROM OIL.
THE RETIRED MARINE LIEUTENANT
COLONEL FOUGHT IN THE FIRST GULF
WAR AND SAW FIRSTHAND THE

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CONSEQUENCES OF OUR RELIANCE ON
MIDDLE EASTERN OIL.
HE'S HERE NOW TO TALK ABOUT THE
BOOK AND WHY HE'S SO PASSIONATE

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ABOUT THE TOPIC.
AS I WAS WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.
>>: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>>: THE TITLE OF THE BOOK IS A

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VERY PROVOCATIVE LESS OIL OR
MORE CASKETS.
WHAT'S IT ALL ABOUT?
>>: I WROTE IT BECAUSE I'M

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WORRIED ABOUT THE FUTURE
MILITARY WHO WILL HAVE TO
PERFORM THE MISSION WE ARE
PERFORMING NOW AND HAVE FOR THE

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LAST 4 YEARS.
WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE EAST TO
PROTECT OIL FOR THE ENTIRE WORLD
AND THAT INFRASTRUCTURE AND

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WE'VE DONE THAT FOR A LONG TIME
AND IT'S COST US A LOT OF MONEY
AND IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE WARS
IN THE ANNUAL COST OF WHAT WE DO

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IT'S OVER $5 TRILLION, 6,000
LIVES AND JUST IN 2017 JUST FOR
THE PROTECTION PART OF IT
$81 BILLION AND PEOPLE DON'T

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KNOW WE ARE DOING THIS AND THAT
WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A
LONG TIME.
THAT IS THE PART THAT I WANT TO

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CHANGE.
ALSO CLEARLY THERE ARE OIL-RICH
NATIONS HAVE STRATEGIC LEVERAGE
OVER OIL DEPENDENT NATIONS.

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TERRORISM IS PRIMARILY FUNDED BY
THE SALE OF OIL AND US
PROTECTING THAT AS I LIKE TO
TELL PEOPLE AND LOTS OF PEOPLE

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HAVE SAID THIS WE ARE FUNDING
BOTH SIDES IN THE WAR ON TERROR.
>>: THIS BOOK IS NOT AN
ENVIRONMENTAL ARGUMENT OR A

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GLOBAL WARMING ARGUMENT.
IT'S A TECHNOLOGY ARGUMENT.
>>: IT IS.
IT'S ABOUT WHAT WE'VE DONE IN

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THE PAST AND AS I TELL PEOPLE I
WOULD NOT HAVE DONE THIS UNLESS
I THOUGHT THERE WAS A SOLUTION
AND THERE IS ON THE HORIZON

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BECAUSE 70 PERCENT OF THE
WORLD'S OIL IS USED FOR
TRANSPORTATION.
IF WE CHANGE THE TRANSPORTATION

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DYNAMIC AND WE CAN DO THINGS
WITH THAT AND THAT MEANS
CHANGING TRANSPORTATION FUEL AND
ELECTRIC VEHICLES ANOTHER

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TECHNOLOGY ARE STARING US IN THE
FACE AND WE SHOULD BE EMBRACING
THAT I'M MOVING TOWARD THAT
BECAUSE 70 PERCENT OF THE

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WORLD'S USE OF OIL AND ALL OF A
SUDDEN THE MIDDLE EAST AND
RUSSIA DON'T HAVE THE LEVERAGE
THEY DO NOW.

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AND IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.
>>: THE IDEA SPARKED WHILE YOU
WERE MAYOR BUT 23 YEARS AS A
MARINE.

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YOU ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS
TOPIC.
>>: THE GULF WAR AND I DON'T
HAVE AN AH-HA MOMENT BECAUSE WE

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DON'T HAVE A NEW TECHNOLOGY.
BUT WHEN I STARTED LOOKING AT
THIS AND THE LATTER YEARS OF
BEING THE MAYOR I WANT TO SEE IF

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THIS MADE SENSE AND WHEN I GOT
DONE BEING THE MAYOR DID A LOT
OF RESEARCH ON THIS AND WHEN YOU
PUT THE NUMBERS TOGETHER LIKE 7R

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TRANSPORTATION 80 PERCENT OF THE
OIL RESERVES IN THE HANDS OF
MONARCHS.
THEY CONTROL THE OIL SUPPLY AND

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PEOPLE THINK WE HAVE OIL IN
AMERICA, BUT WE DON'T WE HAVE
2 PERCENT OF THE OIL RESERVES
AND THAT'S IT.

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THEY REALLY CONTROL THE MARKET
NO MATTER WHAT ANYBODY SAYS.
WE HAVE TO -- AND WE PROTECT IT
ALL.

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FOR EVERYBODY.
GENERAL CONWAY SAID RECENTLY IN
AN INTERVIEW WHY DO WE PROTECT
THE OIL THAT FLOWS FROM IRAN TO

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CHINA AND THAT'S A GOOD
QUESTION, BUT WE DO THAT.
WE HAVE TO ASK DO WE STILL WANT
TO CONTINUE THAT INTO THE

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FUTURE.
>>: 20 SECONDS BUT INDIANA IS
WELL POSITIONED TO PARTICIPATE
WITH THE BATTERY INNOVATION

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CENTER IN THE HISTORY AROUND
ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
>>: WE HAVE A GREAT HISTORY IN
THE STATE OF INDIANA AND I WANT

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THAT TO CONTINUE IF IT ALL
POSSIBLE, BUT I WANT TO MAKE
SURE THE STATE EMBRACES IT
BECAUSE THERE'S A NATIONAL

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SECURITY ARGUMENT HERE AND I
THINK PEOPLE BUY THE BOOK AND
UNDERSTAND IT.
>>: LESS OIL OR MORE CASKETS IS

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THE BOOK.